good points
I apologize for not being clear. It was Dr. Hanley's example (as an atheist) that morality must be and indeed is objective, through that illistration. Meaning, he presented that proposition to the lecture hall and asked if anyone can think of any case that would justify the physical torture of babies for the sole purpose of sexual arousal.
It is science, not faith, that proved this notion wrong. Thank you for reinforcing my argument. In fact, it was naïve anthropocentric and geocentric biased faith that produced this notion in the first place. (Much like the anthropocentric notion that we alone have free will, and that humans are the only beings deserving of moral consideration).
Everyone thought that Newton's laws of motion were infallible, and then came Einstein. Heck, if string theory is proven then that throws Einstein out the window too. When does the madness end? Do we really know anything at all?
So basically, through faith, someone believes that the righteous will live by faith. Argumentation, anyone?
I don't know if it should be that circular. It is simply that faith is faith, regardless of how many iterations are expounded. "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed" (Matthew 17:20) is powerful enough to move mountains. I mean, I don't want to make this a matter of semantics, but how I have defined faith is how I am defining faith. And regardless of how we define faith (similar to love), it is undeniably something that is experienced universally, despite religious affiliation. Now in the gospel of Matthew, the quantity of faith is specifically deemphasized. It is not how deep (in iterations or amount) your faith runs, but just a matter of having it or not.
The responder defines faith for us, but never says why faith based on a particular book should be trusted any more than say, my earlier post (or the work of someone like Richard Hanley).
I enjoy this discussion very much. I wish I could disclose my own personal account of faith, but in the end, it is indeed personal. Maybe we can talk about it sometime :)
Consciousness? Show me where it is, and what makes it different from non-consciousness such that it can participate in ontological spectrums that are distinctly separate from non-conscious ones.
Wow, due to tha fact that I have not thought that deeply about epistemology, I give you that for my argument (on the idea of percieved will) to stand, one must be a dualist. I'll leave the legitimacy of dualism for another day's discussion.
Good points!
